Moving Stress Weight Loss Diet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I managed to drop 3 lbs without trying, simply by going through a traumatic house closing.  I won’t bore anyone with the horrible details, but it was bad enough that I didn’t eat much for 3 days. I was at 139 lbs this morning, 1/2 pound away from 30 lbs total los. Now the phone company, Veriozon, just informed me they have to run a new line down our street before we can have a phone and they’re about to go off on a BIG strike. The chances of my getting a phone for the new house any time soon are dim. I run a web based business out of my home which requires a phone for credit card processing (and web access since I don’t have cable.) Then, as the icing on the cake,  after I left a window open in the new house for a couple hours yesterday, I came back to find it had cracked. . . Now is when I find out how good and/or bad  the company is that put up this modular home after the closing. <sigh — Jenny 168.5/139/141 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

Unfortunately, even the easiest of moves are stressful.  Hang in, it’s only a blip on the radar.  Good luck with the telephone line. In a couple weeks this will be something to laugh about and you’ll be so happy in the new house that none of this will even matter. Good luck and hang in there

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Well, I managed to drop 3 lbs without trying, simply by going through a traumatic house closing.  I won’t bore anyone with the horrible details, but it was bad enough that I didn’t eat much for 3 days. I was at 139 lbs this morning, 1/2 pound away from 30 lbs total los. Now the phone company, Veriozon, just informed me they have to run a new line down our street before we can have a phone and they’re about to go off on a BIG strike. The chances of my getting a phone for the new house any time soon are dim. I run a web based business out of my home which requires a phone for credit card processing (and web access since I don’t have cable.) Then, as the icing on the cake,  after I left a window open in the new house for a couple hours yesterday, I came back to find it had cracked. . . Now is when I find out how good and/or bad  the company is that put up this modular home after the closing. <sigh — Jenny 168.5/139/141 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I managed to drop 3 lbs without trying, simply by going through a traumatic house closing.  I won’t bore anyone with the horrible details, but it was bad enough  that I didn’t eat much for 3 days. I was at 139 lbs this morning, 1/2 pound away from 30 lbs total los. Now the phone company, Veriozon, just informed me they have to run a new line down our street before we can have a phone and they’re about to go off on a BIG strike. The chances of my getting a phone for the new house any time soon are dim. I run a web based business out of my home which requires a phone for credit card processing (and web access since I don’t have cable.) Then, as the icing on the cake,  after I left a window open in the new house for a couple hours yesterday, I came back to find it had cracked. . . Now is when I find out how good and/or bad  the company is that put up this modular home after the closing. <sigh

Boy, some people will do anything to lose weight! ;)  Hang in there, Jenny… it will be over soon. Is there any way you can get a cable modem installed quickly enough to deal with your web business, or is that not available there?  Or not worth it, or…? If I could loan you our DSL, I would… (HUGS) — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail).

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Nancy, I may end up having to move my computer to my brother’s house (way out in the woods) to run my business. The cable modem won’t run my charges which go through a traditional credit card terminal. Plus, we aren’t a TV-watching family so I’d rather not sign up for cable. I’ve lived for 9 years in a town where cable isn’t available and I’d much rather keep reading books and listening to our 3 great NPR stations for my news.  So I am just holding my breath hoping this gets straightened out. The modular company were very reasonable about the broken window (this is the second pane that broke in that particular window which was added to the house on site after it was built, so it probably wasn’t installed right.) They also took care of a couple things that were promised but not done. So I’m decompressing on that. It will take a while to get the window pane replaced but at least they didn’t say, "Too bad, the closing was Tuesday" which is what I was afraid of. — Jenny 168.5/141 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I managed to drop 3 lbs without trying, simply by going through a traumatic house closing.  I won’t bore anyone with the horrible details, but it was bad enough  that I didn’t eat much for 3 days. I was at 139 lbs this morning, 1/2 pound away from 30 lbs total los. Now the phone company, Veriozon, just informed me they have to run a new line down our street before we can have a phone and they’re about to go off on a BIG strike. The chances of my getting a phone for the new house any time soon are dim. I run a web based business out of my home which requires a phone for credit card processing (and web access since I don’t have cable.) Then, as the icing on the cake,  after I left a window open in the new house for a couple hours yesterday, I came back to find it had cracked. . . Now is when I find out how good and/or bad  the company is that put up this modular home after the closing. <sigh Boy, some people will do anything to lose weight! ;)  Hang in there, Jenny… it will be over soon. Is there any way you can get a cable modem installed quickly enough to deal with your web business, or is that not available there?  Or not worth it, or…? If I could loan you our DSL, I would… (HUGS) — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send

mail).

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Jacking and leveling house.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry for this long post but I don’t know how to explain this easily. I have a small modular home, it came in two halves 13′ X 40′ and was set down on a poured foundation with an "I" beam in the center.  The beam rests on the foundation at each end and on two poles near the center.  I now realize that the "I" beam is about 1/4" too high.  On each side of the beam, the house is "floating".  It rests on the beam and then touches the foundation again about 6 feet away.  A layer of that 1/4" pink foam stuff barely fills the gap.  At the ends, the pink stuff is squashed flat.  After 2 years, it hasn’t settled.  The only reason this is a problem is because when the side door is slammed, (it’s directly above the "floating" part, you feel it though the entire house.  I am thinking of jacking it up and removing a 1/4" piece of steel spacer at each end and above each pole.  My question is… do you think I’ll mess up the drywall or the vinyl siding doing this.  I sort of doubt it since the house is built stiff enough that it hasn’t settled yet.  If it matters, I believe each half of the house weighs about 19,000 pounds. That’s what the crane operator told me anyway.

Tony, I did some jacking on my house, raising the beams under two walls about 3/4" in the middle of each span.  We did it over a period of two weeks. The plaster, yes plaster, cracked at the upper corners of door openings in each wall up three floors. I still think it was worth it. TB

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Sorry for this long post but I don’t know how to explain this easily. I have a small modular home, it came in two halves 13′ X 40′ and was set down on a poured foundation with an "I" beam in the center.  The beam rests on the foundation at each end and on two poles near the center.  I now realize that the "I" beam is about 1/4" too high.  On each side of the beam, the house is "floating".  It rests on the beam and then touches the foundation again about 6 feet away.  A layer of that 1/4" pink foam stuff barely fills the gap.  At the ends, the pink stuff is squashed flat.  After 2 years, it hasn’t settled.  The only reason this is a problem is because when the side door is slammed, (it’s directly above the "floating" part, you feel it though the entire house.  I am thinking of jacking it up and removing a 1/4" piece of steel spacer at each end and above each pole.  My question is… do you think I’ll mess up the drywall or the vinyl siding doing this.  I sort of doubt it since the house is built stiff enough that it hasn’t settled yet.  If it matters, I believe each half of the house weighs about 19,000 pounds. That’s what the crane operator told me anyway.

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Hi Everyone need to vent a little

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thank you Sandra I think we just hit on some of that today. I have been on the phone all afternoon and nothing for sure yet but some real possibilities Cindy you are all so wonderful thanks (0: ——-}—-@

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Cindy Ain’t we wonderful though.  LOL And so are you.  You are an inspiration to all of us for hanging tall in all of your problems.  I would give you a big hug if I could meet you. this will have to do.  ((((((((((H)))))))))) janers

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<<With Insurance and the ICC grant we will only have 30K to build a house  you need bout 70 to 80 here just for a little one. But there are some other avenues to explore the buildings code guy from our town is great and really trying to help.

You might check and see if there are any special things your city or county offers for disabled.  For example, my sister found out that her city in CA will give very low interest rate loans for home improvements up to $30,000.  Also, disabled people are able to get the improvements done at lower prices, and they are provided with a list of contractors who will do the work.  She doesn’t have a lot of money, but has been taking advantage of these and some other programs they offer (such as reductions of utility bills for heating/AC).  As a result, she’s been able to vastly improve her property and even make it handicapped accessible.   Sandra

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Thanks guys  i appreciate the help. We can’t put a pre-fab home of any kind in this area due to building codes and restrictions. We are going to a meeting well public hearing on Monday it is the South East Texas Housing dept. The local city leason seems to think they can help. She is very nice  also gave me numbers to call and is talking to people herself. If we could just get enough to make the shell we could finish out later John and his brother could hang walls and all the plywood floors don’t bother me any. lol I am writing letters to all my state reps and calling attourny generals office and FEMA  just to talk about our situation and how bad it was handled. And the fact that we have to rebuild and don’t have enough to do it. Maybe will help someone down the road someday. Well thanks again I am going to take everyones advice. We are in the make to much money for somethings and slow credit so can’t qualify for others but there has to be something somewhere right. Love Cindy

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Janers, Contrary to some opinions…Texas is still in the "States".  LOL!!! As a transplanted Texan I thought I should speak up on that one. But you are right there should be some kind of help if the insurance and Fema will not "pay" enough to rebuild and replace what was lost in the flood. Cindy,(assuming that you are readinf this) have you checked the price of a modular home put on a foundation and just taking down the flooded house?   I am so glad that you enjoyed you short vacation.  You are still in my thoughts and prayers! Sherry

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Cindy, so good to hear from you. Now you and that daughter of yours get some goodies to eat while watching those movies.  Get flubber, my grand daughter just loved it even if it was old to her.  She is 10. Now about the money, isn’t there a lupus chapter you can call near you, to ask them how to get help with some money for you guys.  Do you get any SSD?? What about a pastor to call and ask him??  Now I know damn I don’t want to feel like we are begging.  it is NOT begging, it is help getting over the hump so to speak. There has to be some kind of help, ask the health nurses they should no somethiiing or someone to help you guys here.  What about and I know you may not want to hear this but welfare. I would call around and ask agencies like the cancer society call them and ask them who to call for help when someone needs it.  How about the Red Cross??? ok, maybe I am going way off here, but I think there has to be something out there. Now I just am remembering something are you in the states???  After all I wrote, Now I am wondering?? LOL Ok, well go for the clergy and the health nurses and ask them.  I mean it now, ask for help here. Now I do think the gamma globulin is going to help you alot.  and I am sending you good vibes to feel good. take care and thank you for being you. janers

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Hi Cindy, I was thinking about you too and am glad to hear that you had a good time. Will be waiting to hear how things go with your treatment. Prayers and good thoughts from here to you. BJ "John W. Johnston, Jr." <wes…@microconnect.net

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Hi Cindy, I’m glad to hear from you, and that you had a good time away.  Hope everything straightens out for you soon.  Been there with the money problems. Very difficult and stressful stuff.  We declared bankruptcy three years ago. We are doing better now, but as you can imagine, our credit rating is lousy. Hope the Gamma treatments help, and quickly. Wes AllawishesB1 wrote: Well we are back home and we had a real nice time.  We saw some really interesting things and took it  slow. My daughter took a friend and they

did so

good not one argument (two 12 year olds ) Has to be some kind of record. I thought we would never get out the door thursday for all the people

calling

to set up my tests and first Gamma treatment. Had brain MRI with

contrast

yesterday, hate those , and having EEG the 16th another fun one. The

Home

Health care people will be calling to scedule so we are scrambling to

fix up my

daughters room for the treatment, painting and putting down some remnant

carpet

we found. We already bleached and fixed the wall and ceiling. this way I

will

have a bigger room so will be easier to get around with the IV thing.

She has 2

twin beds and likes the idea of sharing her room with me for 3 days  and

there

is a tv vcr in there.  Maybe I can catch up on a couple movies. I am

afraid the

Home Health people will freak when they see my house is so messed up.

We are

not having much luck with the gathering money part. A couple years ago

when

John was sick then layed off we had some slow payments so the SBA turned

us

down last week on the long term low interest loan for rebuilding.  The buildings code guy was here yesterday and said we have to rebuild. Even

if we

could raise the house it would have to be moved over more than 5 feet as

it is

too close to properity line now.  With Insurance and the ICC grant we

will only

have 30K to build a house  you need bout 70 to 80 here just for a little

one.

But there are some other avenues to explore the buildings code guy from

our

town is great and really trying to help. Sorry to be so long guess I had alot on my mind . I know all this will work out somehow. And maybe the gamma stuff will

make me

feel a little stronger for a while. Thanks for listening Cindy

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Hi Cindy, I’m glad to hear from you, and that you had a good time away.  Hope everything straightens out for you soon.  Been there with the money problems. Very difficult and stressful stuff.  We declared bankruptcy three years ago. We are doing better now, but as you can imagine, our credit rating is lousy. Hope the Gamma treatments help, and quickly. Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -AllawishesB1 wrote:

Well we are back home and we had a real nice time.  We saw some really interesting things and took it  slow. My daughter took a friend and they did so good not one argument (two 12 year olds ) Has to be some kind of record. I thought we would never get out the door thursday for all the people calling to set up my tests and first Gamma treatment. Had brain MRI with contrast yesterday, hate those , and having EEG the 16th another fun one. The Home Health care people will be calling to scedule so we are scrambling to fix up my daughters room for the treatment, painting and putting down some remnant carpet we found. We already bleached and fixed the wall and ceiling. this way I will have a bigger room so will be easier to get around with the IV thing. She has 2 twin beds and likes the idea of sharing her room with me for 3 days  and there is a tv vcr in there.  Maybe I can catch up on a couple movies. I am afraid the Home Health people will freak when they see my house is so messed up.  We are not having much luck with the gathering money part. A couple years ago when John was sick then layed off we had some slow payments so the SBA turned us down last week on the long term low interest loan for rebuilding.  The buildings code guy was here yesterday and said we have to rebuild. Even if we could raise the house it would have to be moved over more than 5 feet as it is too close to properity line now.  With Insurance and the ICC grant we will only have 30K to build a house  you need bout 70 to 80 here just for a little one. But there are some other avenues to explore the buildings code guy from our town is great and really trying to help. Sorry to be so long guess I had alot on my mind . I know all this will work out somehow. And maybe the gamma stuff will make me feel a little stronger for a while. Thanks for listening Cindy

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Well we are back home and we had a real nice time.  We saw some really interesting things and took it  slow. My daughter took a friend and they did so good not one argument (two 12 year olds ) Has to be some kind of record. I thought we would never get out the door thursday for all the people calling to set up my tests and first Gamma treatment. Had brain MRI with contrast yesterday, hate those , and having EEG the 16th another fun one. The Home Health care people will be calling to scedule so we are scrambling to fix up my daughters room for the treatment, painting and putting down some remnant carpet we found. We already bleached and fixed the wall and ceiling. this way I will have a bigger room so will be easier to get around with the IV thing. She has 2 twin beds and likes the idea of sharing her room with me for 3 days  and there is a tv vcr in there.  Maybe I can catch up on a couple movies. I am afraid the Home Health people will freak when they see my house is so messed up.  We are not having much luck with the gathering money part. A couple years ago when John was sick then layed off we had some slow payments so the SBA turned us down last week on the long term low interest loan for rebuilding.  The buildings code guy was here yesterday and said we have to rebuild. Even if we could raise the house it would have to be moved over more than 5 feet as it is too close to properity line now.  With Insurance and the ICC grant we will only have 30K to build a house  you need bout 70 to 80 here just for a little one. But there are some other avenues to explore the buildings code guy from our town is great and really trying to help. Sorry to be so long guess I had alot on my mind . I know all this will work out somehow. And maybe the gamma stuff will make me feel a little stronger for a while. Thanks for listening Cindy

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Best way to deal with neighbours' rowdy children?

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Living on a cul-de-sac does not mean giving up rights to a peaceful life. First make friends with the families (meaning talk to the parents, learn the kids names and say hi every time you see them.) then explain your objections. We live in a modular home park (aka trailer park) with only two ways in or out, so cars generally drive slowly. There are small yards and lots of kids ranging in age from newborn to late teens. Our neighbors on two sides happen to have kids ranging in age from 7-16, and they do the normal things kids do that create noise.  When we moved in we introduced ourselves to the neighbors and explained that my husband works nights, so they might be hearing him coming or going at odd hours. We would do our best not to be too loud, and asked the same of them as hubby is a day sleeper. Luckily for us, everyone was very understanding.  My husband gets up around 4pm, and the kids usually play on the other side of their house until then. In return I don’t make a fuss about noisy kids outdoor sleep overs that keep me up extra late in the summer,  or when the teens hang out on the porch playing music loud enough that I have to turn up my tv or radio to hear it. The neighbors have also all changed to mowing lawns in the evening (this was worked out by my husband via him just mowing their lawns one night when he did ours, that way they didn’t do it at 8am on Saturday and wake him up 2 hours after going to bed. He said loosing the sleep was harder then mowing their lawns and they took the hint. After all, he could decide to mow our lawn at 4 or 5 am, right after he gets home from work.) I have found the best way to deal with minor irritants is to make friends and work it out in a friendly manner. After all, you never know what you might be doing that gets on their nerves! (Are you a gardner? I am and planted a ton of flowers one year that it turned out the neighbors hubby was extremely allergic to. After learning that I gladly pulled them up and they helped pay for something that didn’t make him wheeze (I didn’t ask for or expect them to pay for the plants. I simply asked what didn’t bother him and she offered to go to the nursery and buy them with me.) The world would be a much better place if we all tried to work together and if we tried to remember that my rights end where your nose begins and vise versa. Liz

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I’ve had a similar problem with the young teens hanging out in the street in front of my house – one of them lives right across – my kids bedrooms are in the front of the house, so the noise they make does disturb my kids.  I’ve been very polite and gone outside and asked them to keep the noise down a little, since my kids are in bed.  I’ve always said something like: I know it’s a lot of fun to hang out late on summer nights, but my kids are having a hard time falling asleep, can you keep the noise level down a bit?  They’ve been mostly responsive to my requests.  One night I went out a few times then called the Security Police (I live on an airforce base) and they came out and talked to the kids. Kids are kids, sometimes they don’t realize that what they are doing is bothersome to anybody.   Krystal "Life isn’t measured by how many breaths we take but by how many moments that take our breath away" Eat the "treat" in my address to e-mail me.

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I know it is a joke -0- but we are talking about a felony here — under ZPT in  a school, you would be expelled for doing it.

First, is it a felony?  Second, this isn’t a school; ZTP can kiss my ass!!! AJPDLA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days. Don’t you hate that?  I was 7 months pregnant, sitting in my car at the school while my husband played tennis one day. These kids were on their skateboards and with the entire school parking lot, this one kid had to try flipping his board under his feet right next to my car.  Now I had watched them and they weren’t that good at it so I asked him to please not flip that thing so close to my car.  He just walked away and I went back to reading.  Apparently he turned around and flipped me off because the next thing I know, my husband and his friend were scaring the you-know-what out of him.

I saw a father in precisely that situation in our little town. He made the mistake of laying hands on the kid and wound up in jail for ten days. I’d curb that overweening sense of outrage if I were you, or him. He could wind up with big cellmates. I had two girls in my store with attitude and foul language over a policy we have.  They came back in a bit nicer and said their mom explained it to them. I told them "good" because I wasn’t going to put up with their attitude again.

You were lucky, a person I know works in a 7-11 over in Silicon Valley and the owner pulled that on a couple girls and they went to their Mexicano boyfriend who came in and shot her in the head. It might be better to find another reason to tell them to stay out and having an officer break the news. Having ANY kind of attitude to kids these days is like road rage, wean yourself off it; you had better pick your fights VERY carefully, and dirty words and trying to be some kind of moral prick is not worth that anymore. As for your problem, if talking to the kids isn’t working you might have to talk to the parents.  If they are any kind of parent at all those kids will not be disrespectful again.  It’s the parenting here.  If that doesn’t work, call the police and complain about disturbing the peace. But, unfortunately, anymore if you complain you end up a target.  Stick a video camera in the window. Kendra

If I were you, just for your survival’s sake, I’d moderate my prudish behavior a bit. You could find that the few crazies will let you die naturally that way. The best rule is not to say anything till you’re willing to swear out a warrant for a crime. Steve

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Remind me not to eat any cookies at your house.  I would confuse them with chocolate chunk and within a day or two turn inside out.  ;-} Sharon

Three hours at the most.  LOL. AJPDLA

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You ain’t a kidding, crap.  All over the place.  CMAO. AJPDLA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Crap, That was what we did in high school! Judy Yes, but remember first to lace them with Ex-lax.  LOL.  It’s what I’d do. AJPDLA

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Remind me not to eat any cookies at your house.  I would confuse them with chocolate chunk and within a day or two turn inside out.  ;-} Sharon Three hours at the most.  LOL. AJPDLA

I know it is a joke -0- but we are talking about a felony here — under ZPT in  a school, you would be expelled for doing it.

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I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.

Don’t you hate that?  I was 7 months pregnant, sitting in my car at the school while my husband played tennis one day. These kids were on their skateboards and with the entire school parking lot, this one kid had to try flipping his board under his feet right next to my car.  Now I had watched them and they weren’t that good at it so I asked him to please not flip that thing so close to my car.  He just walked away and I went back to reading.  Apparently he turned around and flipped me off because the next thing I know, my husband and his friend were scaring the you-know-what out of him. I had two girls in my store with attitude and foul language over a policy we have.  They came back in a bit nicer and said their mom explained it to them. I told them "good" because I wasn’t going to put up with their attitude again. As for your problem, if talking to the kids isn’t working you might have to talk to the parents.  If they are any kind of parent at all those kids will not be disrespectful again.  It’s the parenting here.  If that doesn’t work, call the police and complain about disturbing the peace.   But, unfortunately, anymore if you complain you end up a target.  Stick a video camera in the window. Kendra ~*~*~*~ Love is blind, but marriage is an eye opener.

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Yes, but remember first to lace them with Ex-lax.  LOL.  It’s what I’d do. Crap, That was what we did in high school!

Damn right you did, if your food was laced with exlax.. By the way, does anyone here realize what could happen to someone if you gave them exlax unknowingly and it was contraindicated for a certain medical condition? — Jack Tarkaan                                      Kalamazoo, Michigan — NO UNSOLICITED E-MAIL AT THIS ADDRESS – Respect privacy – NO SPAM!!!!

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Crap, That was what we did in high school! Judy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, but remember first to lace them with Ex-lax.  LOL.  It’s what I’d do. AJPDLA . Or you could go out, lean against the house & say, HAY GUYS, wanna make you a deal.  If you could please make a concerted effort not to hit my house with that confounded ball again, I’ll give you this batch of cookies I just baked.  (& make sure they’re home made).  They are usually more cooperative when you are nice to them & give them something in return.  It’s a little old fashion & some might snicker, but bet they’d like it.  Just a thought. Judy Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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I love Elaine’s idea lol.  Go out and be super friendly, they will either be completely freaked out and never come near your place again.  Or just possibly you could end up with some young friends, he he, I think its a really creative solution. Annemarie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

Short of shooting them, there’s nothing you can do. Well, unless you decide you want to help them.  Their parents are not being parents. This means they have no parents. No one is teaching them respect and to care about much. How else might they know? I take children into my home to homeschool them. Many of them have parents who just want to be rid of them. These kids are impossible at first and it’s even more difficult when they go home and get another dose of parents not caring. These kinds of kids will feel absolutely no effect from your upset. They are likely immuned to that. But they likely have not experienced real communication and caring. This doesn’t mean you dedicate your life to changing theirs; it simply means you get into communication with them. Hire them for a little job and tell them how well they did. Invite them for a drink on a hot day. Be a neighbor. Then when they are unbearable or violate your rights, you will be able to reach them because you have established some friendship with them. It’s easy then to ask, "Mathew… I know you would really like to respect my property buddy. Thank you." Smile and wave, and when the noise really bothers you, ask them to lower it a bit for today or to move down the street for you. They will. This will also increase your tolerance to the noise because they won’t be a separate annoying world to you. When you are in communication, they are part of your world rather than a forced element. You may find you sometimes actually enjoy their presence and feel good about being one of the few who see them as ok kids. ML, Tracy — Tracy Sherwood Founder, Superphonics In every struggling child is ‘untapped’ potential Before you buy.

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Or you could go out, lean against the house & say, HAY GUYS, wanna make you a deal.  If you could please make a concerted effort not to hit my house with that confounded ball again, I’ll give you this batch of cookies I just baked.  (& make sure they’re home made).  They are usually more cooperative when you are nice to them & give them something in return.  It’s a little old fashion & some might snicker, but bet they’d like it.  Just a thought. Judy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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Yes, but remember first to lace them with Ex-lax.  LOL.  It’s what I’d do. AJPDLA .

Remind me not to eat any cookies at your house.  I would confuse them with chocolate chunk and within a day or two turn inside out.  ;-} Sharon

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Or you might just decide to let kids be kids and stop being a hard ass about leaning on your fence and losing a ball once & awhile.

Totally!!!  It’s a cul-de-sac, too.  It’s a different way of life.  It’s more like a community rather than just another street.  We used to live in one.  Very fun.  Want to live in one someday with our kids. But, of course, there’s ALWAYS going to be one hard ass living in one.  And this lady’s fast finding out she’s the one in her neighborhood. AJPDLA

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Yes, but remember first to lace them with Ex-lax.  LOL.  It’s what I’d do. AJPDLA .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or you could go out, lean against the house & say, HAY GUYS, wanna make you a deal.  If you could please make a concerted effort not to hit my house with that confounded ball again, I’ll give you this batch of cookies I just baked.  (& make sure they’re home made).  They are usually more cooperative when you are nice to them & give them something in return.  It’s a little old fashion & some might snicker, but bet they’d like it.  Just a thought. Judy Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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Go out and make friends with them.  Young males do NOT want a lot of adults as friends. It’s creepy. Every single time you become aware of them, go out there, and be their best friend. They’ll quickly realize they will get not one instant of privacy in front of your house, and will think up other places to hang out.

Oh, God.  If you came out to make friends with me, I’d friggin freak!!!! This is agreat idea.  Bring cookies and milk when you go out, too.  They’ll think it’s poisoned. AJPDLA

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Gosh, I don’t know where you live but where do the kids go to play?  I mean there are no open fields and if there were you would have to worry about gangsters, and creeps.  They are not playing in your yard but in the street bothering you?  You could get the double pane windows that are suppose to keep out the noise.  I used to be one of those people that the kids outside got on my nerves because of all their noise. Well, guess what?  I now have three of the loudest kids you ever heard of.  Another life lesson eaten on a silver platter.

LOL.  We had a run-in with an apartment complex in which we lived with regards to kids and their being outside in the courtyard screaming their friggin heads off, at the top of their lungs, for hours on end.  We couldn’t even hear ourselves talk in the apartment, it was that bad.  And when we were on the telephone, we’d always be asked from the other end of the line, "What the HELL is going on over there." We finally had enough and my wife placed two speakers outside both of our windows, facing down into the courtyard and BLASTED music to try to drown out the kids’ screamings.  The landlord’s husband was up before the song hit halfway.  We argued – I was right in his face (these were HIS kids (3) down there as well) – God, I wish he would have tried to swing at me, LOL – for about 10 minutes.  He told us if we didn’t like it then move.  We moved three days later.  There’s nothing you can do.  Nothing.  Kids are going to be kids.  And now, years later, we have one of our own.  We’ll raise ours differently, with respect for others.  That’s about the only thing you can do. One of the ways to handle problems that are bothering you is to get their phone numbers, when they hit your window, or acting in manner that isn’t pleasing to you can call their mom and tell on them.

This won’t work.  Nice try, though.  She’ll be the laughing stock (she already is) of the neighborhood. Think about this too, isn’t life a little to short to get upset about kids playing out in the street?  I think that one of the reasons that there are "young" and "older" people is so that we can slow down our fast pace crazy life and enjoy the basics again.  When was the last time that you ran around for the fun of it, playing like it is your last day on earth and laughed a little at the top of your lungs.

I think she’d rather have them away from the neighborhood doing drive-by’s or something. Now that I have written this I am going to go out and play with my kids and make a little noise.

Heck ya.  I can’t wait till Noah and I can raise high holy hell in the neighborhood.  LOL. AJPDLA

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MOVE.

Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.

As children will do. The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.

It’s not outside your house.  It’s in the cul-de-sac of which your house is a part of.  If you don’t like it, then move.  It’s really all you can do. These parents moved into the cul-de-sac looking for a safe place to raise their childern and have them to be able to enjoy playing outside without fear of being run over by cars, or at least it was part of the impetus, I am sure, which brought them to this cul-de-sac. The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.

LOL.  SO the kids should stay in during the summer and play outside in the cold only.  LOL.  ANd why wouldn’t they have this attitude, read my above paragraph.  Cul-de-sacs are for people who can get along with their neighbors.  Again, move. I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.

Yes.  And the more you push, the more they’ll "push" back.  Welcome to the New World, the fear of living in your own home, wanting to keep to yourself, only to have people walk all over you. Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.

Yes.  MOVE!!!! I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week.

LOL.  You’re already a target. AJPDLA

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many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week.

Then don’t do anything.  If you don’t want to do anything about it, shut your pie hole and let those little bastards walk all over you.  Or you can go talk to their parents and see if you can’t get it sorted out.  If it were me and a ball hit my house all the time, I would just take it and keep it, and tell them that if they want it back, a parent would have to come get it from me. — Jack Tarkaan                                      Kalamazoo, Michigan — NO UNSOLICITED E-MAIL AT THIS ADDRESS – Respect privacy – NO SPAM!!!!

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You live in a family residence community not a retirement community….get used to long summer evening with screeching kids and the occasional loose ball. But I like Elaine’s idea.  May I go it one bit further?  Set up your lawn chair outside and read humorous anecdotes from Readers Digest to them and laugh uproariously at even the lamest.  That will guarantee you a place in their creepy neighbor to be avoided book…..oh yeah….always offer them little boxes of raisins and brown spotty bananas whenever you see them.  Squint allot and wear Bermuda shorts with black socks and white sneakers. Of course you might get clobbered by a suspicious parent and a police background check….but the kids will stay far away. Or you might just decide to let kids be kids and stop being a hard ass about leaning on your fence and losing a ball once & awhile. !!O*_The MarchHare   "My underwear is made of solid rubber!" –Dr Miguelito Quioxte Loveless http://community.webtv.net/marchhare32/Story (My Wild Wild West Fan Fiction) http://community.webtv.net/marchhare32/MAGICPANTSTheWild (The Wild Wild West, The SERIES, Droolie Visitors Center….updated semi-regularly)

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Gosh, I don’t know where you live but where do the kids go to play?  I mean there are no open fields and if there were you would have to worry about gangsters, and creeps.  They are not playing in your yard but in the street bothering you?  You could get the double pane windows that are suppose to keep out the noise.  I used to be one of those people that the kids outside got on my nerves because of all their noise. Well, guess what?  I now have three of the loudest kids you ever heard of.  Another life lesson eaten on a silver platter.   One of the ways to handle problems that are bothering you is to get their phone numbers, when they hit your window, or acting in manner that isn’t pleasing to you can call their mom and tell on them. Think about this too, isn’t life a little to short to get upset about kids playing out in the street?  I think that one of the reasons that there are "young" and "older" people is so that we can slow down our fast pace crazy life and enjoy the basics again.  When was the last time that you ran around for the fun of it, playing like it is your last day on earth and laughed a little at the top of your lungs.   Now that I have written this I am going to go out and play with my kids and make a little noise. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go out and make friends with them.  Young males do NOT want a lot of adults as friends. It’s creepy. Every single time you become aware of them, go out there, and be their best friend. They’ll quickly realize they will get not one instant of privacy in front of your house, and will think up other places to hang out. Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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Go out and make friends with them.  Young males do NOT want a lot of adults as friends. It’s creepy. Every single time you become aware of them, go out there, and be their best friend. They’ll quickly realize they will get not one instant of privacy in front of your house, and will think up other places to hang out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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I would talk to the parents but in a friendly way- the kids are not going to listen to you- and then again the parents may just ignore you as well… tough one!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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Hello, I’m looking for some advice. I live in a cul-de-sac.  My neighbours’ children (mostly boys of various ages) tend to congregate around together, play football etc. and make a hell lot of noise.  The trouble is, they seem to like doing it outside MY house, with all the disturbance and occasional balls hitting windows that this entails.  The parents in my road tend to have the `shove `em outside till it gets dark’ attitude to their little darlings, which is fine in winter but can get a little trying during the long summer nights.  I’ve had to speak to the children once or twice, over a stray ball or using my front gate as a gymnasium, and they’re the typical couldn’t-care-less cheeky, hard-faced, lot that many children seem to be these days.  Do any of you have any advice as to the best way to nip this in the bud thoroughly.  I don’t want to try anything (ie. talking to the parents etc.) that might just make things worse, or make my home a target, as I live alone and I’m out at during the week. Before you buy.

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Modular Homes

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Thinking about purchasing a modular home. Do you think they are as good as a stick built and any suggestions on which one is a good one. Any comments on vanderbilt homes in N.C. — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

a good modular home will cost as much as or greater than a stick built home. Advantages will be that home will be up quick and you can move in within 1 month. If your getting a construction loan, you will save on interest charges, however rates are very low right now, so that may not matter that much. Modular homes are built very well today. I toured several plants in PA. and was impressed with the quality, however after reviewing all costs, i decided to stick build a home.

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Thinking about purchasing a modular home. Do you think they are as good as a stick built and any suggestions on which one is a good one. Any comments on vanderbilt homes in N.C. — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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…Has anybody had problems with modular homes?…

Sure they have! So what. People have had problems with stick built homes, also.  Would that stop you from buying one? There are also different quality levels of modulars, just as their are of stick, so not *all* modulars can be compared. The contractor that built most of my house (stick) also does modulars, they have no incentive either way, their view is that for a standard vanilla floorplan and amenities, modular is cost effective, as soon as you get to more open and/or unusual plans and custom stuff, then you might as well go stick, they could do it modular but it is more trouble than it is worth. Thus around here modular is associated with low end starter to mid-range homes, and stick with high end/custom homes. -v.

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Modular and manufactured are NOT one and the same, even though many people use the term interchangeably.   Manufactured homes are what were formally called house trailers/mobile homes, AKA "trailer trash".  In reality, there are some VERY good manufactured homes out there, but there is also a lot of junk.  They are built to a different set of codes than stick built houses.  A manufactured home can be moved from one location to another. Modular homes are basically stick built homes built in a factory.  The building codes effecting them are identical to stick built.  Again, there are good manufacturers and bad manufacturers.  With modulars (and stick built), an important consideration is the quality of the general contractor on-site who puts in the foundation and does all the finish work.  If your GC is a bozo, your home construction will be a nightmare.  Once set, a modular home cannot be moved to a new location anymore than a stick built. I have a modular (~5500 sq. ft.) and am very happy with it.  Because the modulars have to be trucked to the final location, they are significantly over built.  I’m on the downwind side of a lake, so I was very concerned about air infiltration.  Happily, I have not found a single air leak in the house.  (I did find some where the house joins the foundation.  Gotta dig out the "greatstuff" someday).  A common misconception is that modulars are only for entry-level homes. Untrue.  As you start to customize the home, the price difference between modular and stick built drops, but the modular still is lower. In my case, I gave plans to two stick builders and one factory.  The modular came in around $40k lower than the stick.  Unfortunately, I paid more attention to selecting the factory than I did to the local GC, and ate up some of my savings in anti-acid purchases for my stomach. Bottom line.   If you are looking at a "manufactured" house, the manufacturer is the most important variable.  I would see if you can find someone who has an older model from that manufacturer to see how it aged.   If you are looking at a "modular", the factory is important, but the local contractor should be the biggest consideration.  Again, talk to someone who has dealt with the GC/factory combination in the past, and see how they feel about it.  Most manufacturers will let you tour the factory, so you can see how things are done. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, I would like opinions on manufactured/modular homes.  Specifically, has anybody delt with the Home Store out in Mass?  Has anybody had problems with modular homes?  Any advice would help me alot. Thank you!

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Hello, I would like opinions on manufactured/modular homes.  Specifically, has anybody delt with the Home Store out in Mass?  Has anybody had problems with modular homes?  Any advice would help me alot. Thank you!

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I’ve heard mixed opinions. Some people say they’ve come a long way in the building and construction process, others say "I’d never ever buy one". I fall in the latter category. I personally looked at one already built and was not impressed. I’d rather know that the builder built it from the ground up and put up other homes in the area, using the standard and proven way that most are constructed.

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Hi, I am planning to have a modular home built in NE CT.  I am interested in the Pro’s and Con’s of modular homes. Thanks in advance John

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Wow, John,! What timing! On 8/19, our modular home was set. It was from Nationwide Homes, but I don’t believe they venture to far north of Va., where they are headquartered. If I were to guess, I would there are good and bad modular home companies, just like in any business. We have several friends on both sides of the family who put up a Nationwide, and their comments caused us to go that route. First- our choices of colors (siding, shingles, carpet, paint, etc.) were limited. Makes since, it is an assembly line process. However, we could upgrade almost everything that was in the house, and that would result in more choices. Second- we could have eliminated most anything, and had someone else do that installation. Third- we could have done any number of things that would have given us sweat equity in the house. We choose the turnkey approach, since time and a bad back were not on our side. Fourth- generally, you can move into the house several weeks faster, then if you were building on site. Fifth- I really like this one: your building materials are exposed to the elements. I’ve seen to much bad plywood and framing that was the result of constant rain, etc. Six- My 1842 sq. ft. house was set, the roof raised, and weather tight, in about 4 hours. Seven- the quality of the materials is, in some cases, better then you can get by going and buying them yourself. The vinyl flooring was Armstrong, and is about 25%(?) heavier. This is so it can withstand the rigors of lifting, and over-the-road transportation. There are people who will argue about all this, they are either builders, or have had a bad experience with a bad company. Feel free to e-mail me if you want any more info. Larry

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16" O.C. vs. 24" O.C. wall construction?

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Does anyone have any info on home construction with 16" vs. 24" on center walls?  We have been looking at modular home plans and some have 16" standards, others have 24".  Is there really a structural difference? — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Structurally, no. Practically perhaps. What you save in framing materials, may cost you more in insulation, drywall, and roof sheathing, and  trusses so things more or less  wash out. 16in oc is more practical for finish products like hanging shelves where you like them, installing medicine cabinets, grab bars, base mouldings and such…. But (though I prefer 16inoc) for all realistic purposes one is no better than the other structurally….JMHO J Supulski Gen Contractor

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There sure is a difference.  I owned a home with 24" O.C everything – ripples in the roof, ripples in the sheetrock. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any info on home construction with 16" vs. 24" on center walls?  We have been looking at modular home plans and some have 16" standards, others have 24".  Is there really a structural difference?

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Does anyone have any info on home construction with 16" vs. 24" on center walls?  We have been looking at modular home plans and some have 16" standards, others have 24".  Is there really a structural difference? — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

Maybe.  If the framing is made from the same materials, then the 16" OC walss will be stronger.

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"Stop…."

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#Uh, what does this have to do with hunting?  I understand this discussion #began with something relevant, but it has drifted astray.  Personally< I don’t #mind too much, but  I bring it up to point out the utter hypocrisy of those #who say nothing about this off-topic discussion but have in the past demanded #discussions regarding nuisance deer be taken elsewhere. Ummm, Michael is right. And I was as guilty as anyone else. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +     (taking the discussion elsewhere now). (409) 846-3273 (home)                   aol IM screenname:     cnbarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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: Uh, what does this have to do with hunting?  I understand this discussion : began with something relevant, but it has drifted astray.  Personally< I don’t : mind too much, but  I bring it up to point out the utter hypocrisy of those : who say nothing about this off-topic discussion but have in the past demanded : discussions regarding nuisance deer be taken elsewhere. : : Excellent points David.  And I have figured out what this has to do with : hunting.  David seems to be saying, "Don’t expect others to foot the bill for : your (nighttime) hunting."  To which I would add, "Don’t expect farmers to : foot the bill for your daytime hunting." disappointed had you not offered your own:):)                                        Good Hunting                                          David — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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On a side note,my wife and I recently deleivered presents to a neighbors soon to be married child who’s( future wife in a month or so)gave birth to their new son.Was told that all un-wed mothers that show up at hospitals now have their bills paid by medicaid,medicare!!!,no questions asked.Placed on wick and other freebies.This same couple that will wed later this spring and summer just bought a brand NEW modular home,dug a well,and placed a septic system on a two ac. plot their father gave them. Do you see where I going here??I’m damn tired of this B/S!,and I don’t care who’s pickle is involved!  What happened to the days when the hospital asked who the father was and please sign this BILL.I’m all for a little common sense here.Help those that need the help.But the above is total bullshit!I don’t think I should have my tax money spent in such a way and yes I’m all for hunting dead beat PARENTS down regardless of sex.  You and your pickle mess up don’t expect ME to pay thew bills!!Off box:):)                              Good Hunting                                   David — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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Uh, what does this have to do with hunting?  I understand this discussion began with something relevant, but it has drifted astray.  Personally< I don’t mind too much, but  I bring it up to point out the utter hypocrisy of those who say nothing about this off-topic discussion but have in the past demanded discussions regarding nuisance deer be taken elsewhere. # On a side note,my wife and I recently deleivered presents to a neighbors # soon to be married child who’s( future wife in a month or so)gave birth # to their new son.Was told that all un-wed mothers that show up at hospitals # now have their bills paid by medicaid,medicare!!!,no questions # asked.Placed on wick and other freebies.This same couple that will wed # later this spring and summer just bought a brand NEW modular home,dug a # well,and placed a septic system on a two ac. plot their father gave them. # Do you see where I going here??I’m damn tired of this B/S!,and I don’t care # who’s pickle is involved! #  What happened to the days when the hospital asked who the father was and # please sign this BILL.I’m all for a little common sense here.Help those # that need the help.But the above is total bullshit!I don’t think I should # have my tax money spent in such a way and yes I’m all for hunting dead beat # PARENTS down regardless of sex. #  You and your pickle mess up don’t expect ME to pay thew bills!!Off box:):) #                              Good Hunting #                                   David Excellent points David.  And I have figured out what this has to do with hunting.  David seems to be saying, "Don’t expect others to foot the bill for your (nighttime) hunting."  To which I would add, "Don’t expect farmers to foot the bill for your daytime hunting." Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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#Uh, what does this have to do with hunting?  I understand this discussion #began with something relevant, but it has drifted astray.  Personally< I don’t #mind too much, but  I bring it up to point out the utter hypocrisy of those #who say nothing about this off-topic discussion but have in the past demanded #discussions regarding nuisance deer be taken elsewhere. Ummm, Michael is right. And I was as guilty as anyone else. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +     (taking the discussion elsewhere now). (409) 846-3273 (home)                   aol IM screenname:     cnbarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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#I think the bitterness and contempt for the child support system depends on #how badly you got screwed.  My ex left me for another guy 15 years ago, came #back 11 months later and took the house and everything I owned (by using the #kids in court), and then proceeded to alienate my kids from me over the past #15  years.  I  was   recently   ordered  to  pay  $876  per  month  for one #child……can  anyone  justify that kind of payment?  I don’t think so, but #the courts  ordered that and there are no  extraordinary  expenses I don’t think $800-$900 a month for a single child is excessive at all – especially if that child is a teenager.  After all a much higher percentage of your income would be going to providing for that kid if they lived with you (assuming you make $1500 / mo or more).  Think bigger place to live, food, *clothes*, "daddy I need money for …". You’re not getting any sympathy from me.  But then again, few divorce`s do (male or female). + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +     (married at 19, still married to same woman 17 years later) (409) 846-3273 (home)                   aol IM screenname:     cnbarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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: Uh, what does this have to do with hunting?  I understand this discussion : began with something relevant, but it has drifted astray.  Personally< I don’t : mind too much, but  I bring it up to point out the utter hypocrisy of those : who say nothing about this off-topic discussion but have in the past demanded : discussions regarding nuisance deer be taken elsewhere. : : Excellent points David.  And I have figured out what this has to do with : hunting.  David seems to be saying, "Don’t expect others to foot the bill for : your (nighttime) hunting."  To which I would add, "Don’t expect farmers to : foot the bill for your daytime hunting." disappointed had you not offered your own:):)                                        Good Hunting                                          David — Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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#I think the bitterness and contempt for the child support system depends on #how badly you got screwed.  My ex left me for another guy 15 years ago, came #back 11 months later and took the house and everything I owned (by using the #kids in court), and then proceeded to alienate my kids from me over the past #15  years.  I  was   recently   ordered  to  pay  $876  per  month  for one #child……can  anyone  justify that kind of payment?  I don’t think so, but #the courts  ordered that and there are no  extraordinary  expenses I don’t think $800-$900 a month for a single child is excessive at all – especially if that child is a teenager.  After all a much higher percentage of your income would be going to providing for that kid if they lived with you (assuming you make $1500 / mo or more).  Think bigger place to live, food, *clothes*, "daddy I need money for …". You’re not getting any sympathy from me.  But then again, few divorce`s do (male or female). + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +     (married at 19, still married to same woman 17 years later) (409) 846-3273 (home)                   aol IM screenname:     cnbarnes Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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: # : # Las— Here is my answer.  I am not sure you’ll like it, but I’m going to : # give it anyway.  Having seen first hand the anguish caused by a man leaving : # his wife and kids because he needed someplace new to play hind the pickle, : # and felt that he no longer needed to support the children, I agree with not : # letting them hunt, unless they get to be the game. : I will enthusiastically second this. : Your kids come first.  If you’re not willing to accept the lifelong : responsibility of having kids, ya better keep ol’ willie in your pant : and out of hers.  No excuse, no exceptions.  I don’t care if it is a one : night stand or 10 years into marriage. It doesn’t matter if it is her : fault the relationship fails or yours.  It doesn’t relieve you of your : responsibilty to the kids. I agree with you, I just don’t agree with the  legalized  extortion in child support  law today.  How much is enough?  Certainly  current  child  support laws are  punitive,  not just what is  needed  to HELP  support  your  kids. That’s one reason  why so many men fail to pay.  Also, did you know that the incidence of "deadbeat  moms", as a  percentage  of those  ordered to pay is MUCH higher  than for men?  We should take away their right to go  shopping. : … this opinion is coming to you from an "ex-dad" who’s had his kid : corrupted by his ex wife into some sort of anti-gun tree huggin’ green : freak.  I’m 8 years into "making payments", 6 more years to go ’til : "freedom."  Am I bitter?  You bet.  But that emotional reaction in no : way lessens my responsibility to my kid. I think the bitterness and contempt for the child support system  depends on how badly you got screwed.  My ex left me for another guy 15 years ago, came back 11 months later and took the house and everything I owned (by using the kids in court), and then proceeded to alienate my kids from me over the past 15  years.  I  was   recently   ordered  to  pay  $876  per  month  for  one child……can  anyone  justify that kind of payment?  I don’t think so, but the courts  ordered that and there are no  extraordinary  expenses.  This is only for BASIC  support.  I have heard of awards much higher,  because child support  isn’t based on COST to raise your child, it’s based on your INCOME. : You’re talking about taking away hunting rights?  That’s NOTHING.  I’d : say take away drivers license and any professional licenses they have if : they are truly deadbeats. So you want to take away  their  ability to earn the money  that you want to extort from these guys?  That’s  pretty  warped  punishment,  IMO.  How is a doctor  supposed to earn the  thousands of dollars he’s  supposed to pay per month if you take away his  ability to drive and his  license  to  practice. All you’re doing is ensuring  that he’ll remain a "deadbeat".  Many of these guys are not "deadbeat  dads", but "beatdead dads".  They take away all your rights, then try to financially ruin you. : It’s one thing to try to cut someone some slack to get ‘em back on their : feet so they can meet their responsibilities.  It’s something else when : they make a lifestyle of being screwed up and avoiding responsibility. : When that happens, make ‘em pay DEARLY, I mean make it HURT. I say make the child  support laws fair *before* you start  punishing  those who won’t pay the absurd  orders.  If child support  really  reflected  YOUR portion of the COSTS to raise your child, compliance would increase, IMO.  I have  no  problem  helping  to  support  my  kids……I  do have a  problem supporting  my  ex-bitch.  And,  yes,  I’m  very  bitter.  My child  support payment is about $1500 per month pre tax…for ONE child. "I still miss my ex, but my aim is improving" Laszlo         Member: Wildlife Legislation Fund of America                 Rocky Mountain Bighorn Society                 National Rifle Association                 Colorado Bowhunters Association                 Ft. Collins Archery Association      Let us prey…..      PETA– People for the Eating of Tasty Animals The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of Hewlett-Packard Company : Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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: Las— Here is my answer.  I am not sure you’ll like it, but I’m going to : give it anyway.  Having seen first hand the anguish caused by a man leaving : his wife and kids because he needed someplace new to play hind the pickle, : and felt that he no longer needed to support the children, I agree with not : letting them hunt, unless they get to be the game.  I am not fond of the : idea of putting debtors in prison, but I would make an exception in this : case. Unless you’ve been  subjected to the current  extortion  imposed on divorced dads by the kourts, I know you won’t  understand.  Child support  awards are SO HIGH that it amazes me there isn’t even more  non-compliance.  Go over to alt.child-support  for more horror  stories.  You obviously are out of touch with current child support law…..it’s changed a lot in recent years. I acknowledge there are cases such as the one you described.  However, my ex wife wanted our divorce and I’ve paid child support for 3 kids for 14 years. She moved out, took the kids, found a boyfriend (another "pickle"), and they came  back and took the  house and all my  belongings.  I have  very  little sympathy  for women who treat their ex’s like that.  Did you know that about 75% of the divorces currently are initiated by the wife? I have always paid my child  support, and have dropped over $100K in her lap to do with what she pleased.  This past January she took me to court and got $876 per month for my ONE  remaining  17 year old  daughter.  Not only that, the judge made me pay her  attorney’s  fees.  The  problem  is, my kids have never really benefited from all that money. She also receives $1031 from another sucker (the  boyfriend) she married and divorced  after me.  Thank God I have only one more year to pay.  The  point is, those of us that pay are abused and forced to pay unreasonable  amounts. Those  that  don’t pay often  can’t, or they  refuse to do so because of the outrageous  awards.  The state of  Colorado  is allowed  to take over 50% of your GROSS salary in child support…..other states have similar laws.  It’s not  based  on the  child’s  needs,  only  how much you  make.  There  is NO accountability on the part of the custodial parent. The bottom line is that I don’t agree with taking away a hunting license for failing to submit to extortion.  This is obviously a law proposed by a bunch of liberal  women, and passed by the  legislature  because  it’s PC.  If the awards were  reasonable,  then I would agree with any punishment for failing to pay.  How can you  justify  taking  away a man’s  drivers  license  and a professional license that he needs to do his job, then force him to pay? : As for "CONVICTED" felons,…I still believe in disenfranchisement. : So I have no problem with not allowing them to own firearms or to hunt. You’ll agree until you happen to be  convicted of a felony.  It’s awful easy to have that  happen in today’s  society.  Get in a fight with your wife and have her  falsely  claim  that you abused  her or  assaulted  her.  That’s a felony.  Have her claim that you  violated a  restraining  order…that’s  a felony.  Some automobile  accidents are  felonies….accident  or not.  Now, animal cruelty due to not recovering a wounded animal right away. : As for the animal cruelty thing, that’s a lot of hooey.  Anyone that has : hunted for very long or hunts very often will occassionally miss place a : shot.  That does not, in itself, constitute animal cruelty.  It’s when one : misplaces a shot and doesn’t bother to make an effort to find out if the : animal was hit or not….That’s animal cruelty. That’s  the way you see it.  These  indians  apparently  were  convicted  of animal  cruelty  because they didn’t  immediately  recover the  animals.  IT HAPPENED!!!  It COULD  happen  to you, and this case sets a  precedent.  YOU could be  convicted of animal  cruelty (a felony) if you  gut-shot an animal and someone chooses to push the case.  That was my point…..this  case sets a BAD precedent. : I saw a man take a shot at : a Couse Deer from about 400 yards, shooting offhand with a BAR in 7mm rem : mag a couple of years ago.  The deer moved off over the hill on the far : side of a canyon.  the man was going to walk away when I came up to him. : You see, I had been about half the distance away that he was and I needed : to get closer to take the shot.  There was a heck of a cross wind blowing. :  I told the guy that I thought he had hit the deer, and he better go and : check.  He said it was getting toward dark and he didn’t have a flash : light.  I offered mine and he almost got mad.  He did not want to go across : that canyon on a "maybe".  I think I shamed him into it.  His son, who was : on his first hunt, looked very relieved when his father agreed to hike : across the canyon and look.  Think about how it looked to the kid. : Just my thoughts. What’s your point?  Maybe what he did was unethical in your  mind…the  400 yard  shot.  Do you think  this guy  should  have been  convicted  of animal cruelty  for not  following  up a shot that he  thouht he  missed?  Even you would condemn this guy, but I’m sure many hunters have done the same. Think about it….. Laszlo         Member: Wildlife Legislation Fund of America                 Rocky Mountain Bighorn Society                 National Rifle Association                 Colorado Bowhunters Association                 Ft. Collins Archery Association      Let us prey…..      PETA– People for the Eating of Tasty Animals The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of Hewlett-Packard Company : Dan (The Other One) : Dan (The Other One) : Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at: :         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ : To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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# # Las— Here is my answer.  I am not sure you’ll like it, but I’m going to # give it anyway.  Having seen first hand the anguish caused by a man leaving # his wife and kids because he needed someplace new to play hind the pickle, # and felt that he no longer needed to support the children, I agree with not # letting them hunt, unless they get to be the game. I will enthusiastically second this. Your kids come first.  If you’re not willing to accept the lifelong responsibility of having kids, ya better keep ol’ willie in your pant and out of hers.  No excuse, no exceptions.  I don’t care if it is a one night stand or 10 years into marriage. It doesn’t matter if it is her fault the relationship fails or yours.  It doesn’t relieve you of your responsibilty to the kids. … this opinion is coming to you from an "ex-dad" who’s had his kid corrupted by his ex wife into some sort of anti-gun tree huggin’ green freak.  I’m 8 years into "making payments", 6 more years to go ’til "freedom."  Am I bitter?  You bet.  But that emotional reaction in no way lessens my responsibility to my kid. You’re talking about taking away hunting rights?  That’s NOTHING.  I’d say take away drivers license and any professional licenses they have if they are truly deadbeats. It’s one thing to try to cut someone some slack to get ‘em back on their feet so they can meet their responsibilities.  It’s something else when they make a lifestyle of being screwed up and avoiding responsibility. When that happens, make ‘em pay DEARLY, I mean make it HURT. Tom Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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Las— Here is my answer.  I am not sure you’ll like it, but I’m going to give it anyway.  Having seen first hand the anguish caused by a man leaving his wife and kids because he needed someplace new to play hind the pickle, and felt that he no longer needed to support the children, I agree with not letting them hunt, unless they get to be the game.  I am not fond of the idea of putting debtors in prison, but I would make an exception in this case.  As for "CONVICTED" felons,…I still believe in disenfranchisement. So I have no problem with not allowing them to own firearms or to hunt. As for the animal cruelty thing, that’s a lot of hooey.  Anyone that has hunted for very long or hunts very often will occassionally miss place a shot.  That does not, in itself, constitute animal cruelty.  It’s when one misplaces a shot and doesn’t bother to make an effort to find out if the animal was hit or not….That’s animal cruelty.  I saw a man take a shot at a Couse Deer from about 400 yards, shooting offhand with a BAR in 7mm rem mag a couple of years ago.  The deer moved off over the hill on the far side of a canyon.  the man was going to walk away when I came up to him. You see, I had been about half the distance away that he was and I needed to get closer to take the shot.  There was a heck of a cross wind blowing.  I told the guy that I thought he had hit the deer, and he better go and check.  He said it was getting toward dark and he didn’t have a flash light.  I offered mine and he almost got mad.  He did not want to go across that canyon on a "maybe".  I think I shamed him into it.  His son, who was on his first hunt, looked very relieved when his father agreed to hike across the canyon and look.  Think about how it looked to the kid. Just my thoughts. Dan (The Other One) Dan (The Other One) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/ To leave the Hunting listserv list, send a message with SIGNOFF HUNTING

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Masonry Heaters

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My wife and I are planning on building a passive solar home in Raleigh, NC and are considering a masonry heater as a backup source of heat (we’ll also have a heat pump…) I’d rather not spend $18,000 on a tulikivi.  Even a temp cast 2000 will cost me $6,000-7,000. Are there any less expensive alternatives to these heaters? Thank you in advance. Sincerely yours, John Argentati

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My wife and I are planning on building a passive solar home in Raleigh, NC and are considering a masonry heater as a backup source of heat (we’ll also have a heat pump…) I’d rather not spend $18,000 on a tulikivi.  Even a temp cast 2000 will cost me $6,000-7,000. Are there any less expensive alternatives to these heaters?

First, visit http://mha-net.org/ I also considered masonry heaters, though I built a passive solar modular home that did not have the complete flexibility of design that would have been needed to gracefully incorporate a masonry heater. Cost was also an issue, and Tulikivi was the most available complete stove.  I didn’t have the time or money to design one around a kit and have it constructed onsite. Efficiency was another issue. From memory, masonry heaters seemed to average around 55% efficiency, while other stoves were much higher.  My present stove is 78%. Emissions were yet another issue, with masonry heater Grams/hr being higher than most good stoves. Viewability was still another consideration, with many masonry heaters having a tiny (or no) window into the fire. Other esthetical issues were viewing the fireplace’s cheery glow on a rainy or cold day. I finally settled on a Vermont Castings Winter Warm Large Fireplace System, which I installed in a zero clearance layout.   Pros – I don’t have the info here, but with the catalyst and the high burn rate, emmissions are very low.  The complete fireplace system, not counting chimney, were around $3000.  The chimney was non-masonry, so costs were low and thermal losses minimal (the draft starts effortlessly).  Again, the efficiency is rated around 78%.  The large window gives ample viewing of a dreamy fire.  It can heat most of the 2500 sq. ft. house comfortably on days in the 20 degree high range.  I haven’t had anything colder yet, so no data on lower extremes.  I don’t dare light it up on sunny days, due to the more than sufficient heat energy input I get from the passive solar capability (I don’t have thermal storage installed yet). Cons – The fire needs to be fed, with anywhere from once a half hour to once every few hours.  I have not tried to pack it for a full overnight burn, but have come back down after 6 hours to find hot coals that started a new fire. Most efficient use of the fireplace requires use of the circulating fans, so a power outage would reduce the heat output.  They are fairly quiet, so far. Starting the fire requires some temperature management, as the catalyst shouldn’t be engaged at temperatures lower than 375 F.  Once it’s going, it only requires feeding to keep it going optimally. If you have any questions about my choice or consequences thereof, just repost here. — Will

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Formaldahyde

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Hi, all!  Our business is growing to the point of having to get a new home. We are trying to get a new  …NEW… modular home.  These have a government rating of .4 maximum amount of F.   The Modular people said that they have only had actual readings of  .12- .18. Are these levels safe for birds to be moved right into, or do we have to wait?  Can we use some sort of air purifier to help keep the air safe enought to move in?  Please help us, as we need to inform the county as to this time period of waiting.   Thanks in advance. ;) Bambi:)        O     O     Holdin                     –          my                  (  *  )     Breath! Dist.-ULTIMATE TIP SASE/Sample CA.+6.25% . — Fox’s Feather Farm  25 different species of Parrots. Layaway/Payments Avail. African Greys, Amazons, Cockatoos, Conures, Macaws, and more. (408)761-0566

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Just for your info…. In Canada if any house has formaldihyde in it we cannot get a mortgage!!! Something to think about. Joyce

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